Panel Demolishes Official 9/11 Story While Proposing State Initiatives for Justice

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1. jojo says:

   February 17, 2011 at 8:20 pm

   Can someone please explain why WTC 1 and 2 came down from the top down but WTC7 collapsed from the bottom-up. Also,why is WTC 6 always not mentioned. In 2001, I figured explosives were used and related the evident as the use of thermite. After 7 years, was discovered Neno-thermate,this could not have exploded each floors and turned concrete to dust and hurled steel beams blocks away.If it could–a test would already been done–Baloney excuse–military only has the substance.
   I’ll bet $100,000 cash to anyone that can prove me wrong–WTC 1-2 were brought done by Bunker concrete busting bombs and WTC 6-7 were done/wired as a normal day to day demolishment.
   Why is it that the airports files videos from the watch towers and recorded communications are not public–or worse why hasn’t any brave American requested there production. After 10 years you guys are spinning your wheels. Need traction–learn how to torture and start arresting–like the airport managers envolved with 911 capper. Better yet, Marvin Bush or Larry silverstien. I’d try Rudy Galiania first :^)
2. Howard T. Lewis III says:

   February 18, 2011 at 12:24 am

   Jojo. Do you have $100,000 cash? If so, run get it. I’ll wait…… You back with the dough? Good lad. I’ll be asking for your email address to collect.
   Listen closely. Don’t bet if you can’t pay up. or you will lose respect. But read this. For a short period of time in the 1960′s, less than 3 years, ordinances passed by the Chicago and New York and New Jersey Port Authorities demanded that any buildings of over 50 stories allowed to be put up had to be GUARANTEED to drop straight down because of earth quake, airliner, WHATEVER, instead of falling over. Other near-by buildings COULD NOT BE ENDANGERED by any collapse. THE AGREED UPON SOLUTION AMONGST ALL PARTIES INVOLVED WITH THIS ISSUE was to put high x-ray yield nukes in the basements (Which were inspected and signed off on by the U.S. government and the Soviet Union’s inspectors.) These nukes were placed in WTC I,II and 7 and the Chicago Sears tower. Only buildings over 50 stories were affected by this ordinance. Thermi(a)te charges and other demolition gear like load sensors, etc. also were set during construction. Witnesses and photographic evidence show WTC#6 was set up to go earlier that morning with quickly placed charges. Military style, not professional demolition.
   Thermite and thermate are very stable until you directly apply a temperature source over 2,400 degrees. Thermite was first patented back in 1892 and they have been setting it off with magnesium tapes ever since. Newer thermate compounds and nano-thermates were also used with other preset explosives. Exactly what they used on the cement, I don’t know. But you did not ask that.
   Office workers below the impact level heard jackhammers and other loud noises overhead a few days before 9-11-2001. A large ammount of dust deposited in their offfices from this activity.
   If you watch the video clips, an intense white flash a split second before impact, which was editted out on some copies, was followed by impact and the creation of a crease along the one impact wall from thermi(a)te cutter charges. After a while, the fires were almost out and people can be seen waving from the building. The core wall in the background is still there. Most of the jet skirted around it. A telephoto video clip shows the above-impact volumn of the WTC leaning over from another bomb influenced trauma at that level. Just after the leaning starts, the original demolition system, installed during construction takes over and the whole thing goes straight down into the area prepared by the basement nukes.
   I am not sure how these nukes worked. Dr. Ed Ward, M.D. has researched and produced much about the more than 2,500 different nuclear test detonations by the U.S. and Soviet Union. and can explain much better than I. He’ll demand his $100,000. The guy is worth every penny.
   If you examine photos of many of the cars and trucks outside the WTC’s that day. Car bombs had been set off in many. The N.Y.P.D. dispatch recordings cover this. Other vehicles show warping and melting of steel, but upholstery and tires intact. Just like putting a chicken pot pie and a light bulb in your micro-wave oven. The pie gets nice and hot but the light bulb goes berzerk and destructs.
   Building 7 is much easier to explain. That was insurance fraud with the fix in with the judge, the insurance company and the perps who cleaned the records out about the preset demolitions before setting them off.
   There are a bunch of retired builders who dread the world finding out about this. I have known of the demolition charges preset for over 40 years and had my back to the wall regarding this insanity since 9-11-2001. The goddam WTC and Sears tower builders have a responsibility to us all that they are shirking. The Sears tower IS STILL SET. GET OVER THERE AND PROVE IT. Later the same bunch intentionally blew out the DH in the GOM.
   You want proof. Spoon fed? You’ll have to wait with everyone else. I know how this one would go if our legal system wasn’t so full of crooked judges.
   Good luck to you and thanks. I’m the only person talking out loud about this knowledge. The Architects and Engineers for 9-11 truth are more concerned for their own comfort and safety then mine. At this rate, it will take a hundred years for the true story to come out. These explosives require direct application and with existing walls in occupied offices, this would be impossible to do in secret. And would requre destruction of walls and floors and ceilings in all 280 floors of these 3 buildings. Building 6 further proves intent in the murders of over 3,000 people that morning. And Silverstein and Co. just sort of decided to not be at work that day. He was there when they put in the charges in the 1960′s. Giuliani knew also. All our Congress will do is act like new-born kittens with the protection of a temporarily misguided U.S.military and legal system. It only takes a general or two to wage war in the middle east. We still have over 300 who I hope to God are not as fucked up in the head as Obama’s bitches. Since Pres. Dover is not using most generals, we can be sure it is for a good reason.
   Any questions?
3. nick stein says:

   February 18, 2011 at 6:18 am

   I too look forward to a proper scientific investigation of this event. teh above claims would not be hard to prove, as he says by looking at the Sears building. whether true ot not it is not disagreeing with the supposition that contolled demolition occured of the buildings.

   If this is proven to be true it blows “al qaida” out of the water as the perp. Indeed the October interview in Afghabistan with Bin laden has him denying involvement and blaming the “government within the government” of US. Interesting the “evidence” ofBin Laden’s involvment involvnes the video tape. Do compare Bin Ladin in that to a tape at the time of the man.Not very similar at all. Sloppy work.

   So we have demolition charges present , we have fake videos of confessions, we have Atta’s Passport mysteriously found in a Newyork st, fluttered down somehow(I kid you not, such was found ), we have video cameras set uo by the 5 “dancing ” celebrating Israelis there to “document” the event….and some people made a lot of money on teh stock exchange, as well as Odigo messaging service telling WTC Israelis not to go to work that day-never explained.

   Means motive opportunity. Who benefited(locally from insurance, not having to refit to remove the asbestos-internationally from the Afghanistan pipeline and weapons and security contracts and moslem villification), who could have planted the charges(security contacts and military or demolition training), etc.

   In the weekend before 911 the electricity(and thus survellance cameras) was down for 48 hours due to “electrical work”.

   there was plenty of other holes in the 911 conspiracy theory pedalled by the Bush regime and their allies, but by just concentrating on the clear anomalies that one sees in the collapse of the buildings , esp building 7 , the whole pack of cards is dragged down. Little wonder one reads condemnation of the greed adn the risk it places all.Lucky (Negev desert free trade seeker)Silverstein.Lucky (Israeli Haganah)Lowy. Could have lost so much if those buildings had stood. The Port Authority pushing for the asbestos removal-costing millions-wasnt there a meeting onthe top floor for 9am that day with Larry? Lucky he and his kids didnt go to work that day…….

   Are the American people in a coma? Can they not see the traitors that have done this to them? Indeed the PNAC document is eerily predictiveand same as the white paper-”Israel , securing the realm_” ,

   I wonder other events in history have manipulated the population but then without the sharing of ideas and data that the internet allows now.

   there is much to be done.
4. Albury says:

   February 18, 2011 at 7:24 am

   I think it’s time to investigate some of the bizarre and absurd claims made by Richard Gage, not the three WTC hi-rise collapses on 9/11, since they’ve already been thoroughly investigated by much more qualified, competent, and honest people. The NIST scientists and engineers were only able to time the top 18 stories, or 242′, of the collapse of WTC 7′s facade, and determined that it took 5.4 seconds, yet Gage and others in the 9/11 “truth movement” claim that the entire 610′ collapse only took ~6.5 seconds. Did the other 368′ fall in just over 1 second? How is he even able to give us a time to the nearest 1/10 of a second for the entire collapse when NIST couldn’t because buildings in the foreground blocked the view of video cameras?
   How can he claim that the towers nearly free fell when the loose, airborne debris from their upper stories was obviously falling much faster than the collapse zones, and began hitting the ground while at least 40 stories in each one were still intact? The North Tower was only down to the height of WTC 7 when debris from the upper stories first hit the ground. Was g miraculously increased on 9/11? They fell in ~15 and ~22 seconds respectively, nowhere near the ~9.25 seconds that free fall would have taken:

   http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4#p/u/40/qLShZOvxVe4

   yet he begins every presentation with his near free-fall claim. He’s also claimed that the dust clouds from the collapses were “pyroclastic,” but there are no reports of anyone’s skin being instantly peeled off, and he’s claimed that the fires in WTC 7 were minor, totally contradicting these NYC eyewitnesses:

   http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires
   http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage
   http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

   How could his claim that 400,000 yards of concrete were turned to fine powder be true, when there was less than 100,000 yards of concrete above grade in both towers combined? Does he know how to turn 400,000 yards of concrete to fine powder with explosives without leveling NYC?
   Has he ever seen a controlled demolition that left molten metal in the debris for months? Has he ever seen one that didn’t leave even one explosively-cut column in the debris? Since he claims that explosives were planted in the core columns to start the collapses, and that it was done from elevators shafts, has he even looked a floor plan of the cores above the 78th floor sky lobby? There were only 6 regular elevators above there, plus a freight and 2 express elevators, and they were only near 6 of the 47 core columns. Several of those were in the paths of the planes, and the perimeter columns collapsed first, so he’s not even making sense, especially considering the fact that 30 or more stories of core framing stood 15-25 seconds after each tower’s main collapse was over.
   We should investigate the nonsense coming from Richard Gage, as well as his “engineers.”

   http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3834688&postcount=12
5. Albury says:

   February 18, 2011 at 7:27 am

   These links address most of your concerns, Howard:

   http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/911NutPhysics.HTM

   http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/911NutPhysics0.HTM
6. james ha says:

   February 18, 2011 at 9:25 am

   the planes were faked and the towers were nuked.

   covertoperations.blogspot.com

   wtcdemolition.blogspot.com
7. jojo says:

   February 18, 2011 at 9:41 am

   Howard–thanks for your time and effort.Still the $100,000 offer stands
   Can you check this video and article: Dimitri Khalezov on 9-11
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oMjsYoXVPQ&feature=player_embedded
   http://www.rebelnews.org/opinion/terror/654159-dimitri-khalezov-on-9-11
   The real sad part in this 9/II capper “Who really did it and how it was done ” -just mentioning/leading to a Israel Firster’s religious clut or usage of atomic bombs , get’s 911 truthers upset.Why?

   Howard! you mentioned that NY had a policy for high rise towers over 50 levels to fall into their foot print after a quake,can you post where the info can be found ( concrete turns into dust). In connection with construction NY policies. Here is a question for you; WTC 7 supposedly had diesel oil storage tanks( in thousands of gallons) on 10 or 14th floors. I don’t know of any one large office bldg that has or is allowed by law to have such placement. All building bylaws state–all liquid heating fuels must be stored below ground levels. Did WTC 7 have such tanks and blamed the fuel for the collapse?
   How many people know that Larry silverstein had this WTC7 custom built and stayed empty for years but workers kept working inside secertly. I’ll bet he had the building rigged for demo long time ago {:^(
   Many Thanks Howard and cheers to all
8. Big M says:

   February 18, 2011 at 10:20 am

   I’m sick and tired of people calling for a “new” investigation. There has NEVER been an investigation, at least by the scum in government.

   And enough about the twin towers falling, at whatever speed. Those floors were blown apart in mid-air. None of them collapsed.
9. Albury says:

   February 18, 2011 at 10:38 am

   re: http://www.nyccan.org/ and http://buildingwhat.org/

   To Whom it May Concern:

   If you need to mount a campaign to inform NYC council members and others of the fact that WTC 7 collapsed almost 7 hours after the North Tower came down on 9/11, then what was the reason for its alleged controlled demolition in the first place? Did the US government need an additional building collapse that day that took no lives, well after both towers, WTCs 3, 4, 5, and 6, four airliners, and part of the Pentagon had already been destroyed or badly damaged, and nearly 3000 innocent people had been violently murdered, to get its almost unanimous congressional resolution to go to war in Afghanistan where al Qaeda was headquartered and where President Clinton sent Tomahawk missiles in response to their previous coordinated and deadly suicide operations against two US embassies in Africa in 1998?

   How on earth do you “bring justice” to Mr. McIlvaine’s remarkable and beloved son Robert G. by libeling more than 210 NIST experts, Larry Silverstein, and countless others with absurd claims based on junk science by profiteering charlatans like Richard Gage and his “engineers,” and by harassing NYC council members for a new investigation when you obviously haven’t even bothered to read NCSTAR 1A, which is the product of a thorough and very competent investigation by people with real science and engineering credentials? Why do you urge people to “ask OFFICIALS to investigate Building 7,” when at least 125 of the scientists and engineers involved in the NIST investigation of WTC 7 were CIVILIANS from academia and private industry?

   Robert wasn’t even in WTC 7 when Muhammad Atta flew the hijacked Boeing 767 into WTC 1 ten stories below him on the morning of 9/11/01, and when he was suddenly and unexpectedly doomed to death along with everyone else in his group and everyone above the 92nd floor, nearly nine hours before the late afternoon collapse of WTC 7. The FDNY feared that it would eventually collapse, which is why they abandoned any effort to fight the fires and pulled everyone back a safe distance, preventing more “terrible loss of life,” as WTC 7′s owner later related in a PBS interview.

   Robert’s death was a tragic loss, and my profound sympathy for Mr. McIlvaine is hard to put into words, but I’d like you and anyone else who’s thinking of signing your petition to answer the following questions first, since you’ve fallen prey to the manipulative liars of the 9/11 “truth movement” and think Larry Silverstein destroyed his own property or knew about it:

   -Why would Larry Silverstein have publicly admitted even to knowing that there were planted explosives in WTC 7 in the first place?
   -What was Silverstein Properties’ and the FDNY’s motive for blowing up a perfectly good, 14 year-old building, losing hundreds of millions of dollars in cash flow from it for nine years and counting, spending ~$700 million, or most of the $861 million insurance settlement, on the replacement of it, and paying ~$500 million back to lenders?
   (note: it was built in 1986-1987, at least 15 years after asbestos was written out of all building codes, and it had no asbestos in its SFRM or elsewhere. There was some on the first 38 floors of the North Tower, most of which had been abated during various tenant fit-outs well before he won the lease by default when Vornado’s deal with the PA fell though, but none in the South Tower, which was built after the code change went into effect)

   -Why would any insurance company have paid him a dime instead of the $4.68 BILLION total he received if he publicly admitted to foreknowledge of or complicity in the alleged secret demolition of his property, but especially those based in Copenhagen, Zurich (2 of them), and London? They all contested his claim of two occurrences based on two separate plane crashes, and he won in court in a few instances based on individual contract wording, but there was never any question relating to the causes of any WTC collapse.

   -How did he or the FDNY know that flaming debris from a much taller collapsing hi-rise across the street would hit WTC 7, start multi-story fires in it, and break the water main to it, disabling the sprinklers and providing a cover story for the alleged controlled demolition?

   -If the explosives were pre-planted, which would have taken weeks or even months in a vacant building and have been completely impossible to do secretly in an occupied one, and Barry Jennings heard some of them go off around 10 AM, why was there any discussion at all in mid-afternoon about whether or not to demolish WTC 7 with the other apparently fireproof explosives allegedly planted a few stories higher?

   -Do controlled demolitions take seven or eight hours to collapse a building?

   -Do they leave no severed columns with copper residue on the ends, or any other evidence in the debris?

   -Do they leave ~12 stories on one corner standing?

   -Is the FDNY in the controlled demolition business? What other buildings, on fire or not, have they demolished before or since 9/11?

   -Please link me to a C/D contractor’s web site, and show me the use of “pull” or “pull it” to refer to building demolition using explosives, not one in which cables are used to pull an already damaged building over, as was done with WTC 6.

   -How does a “terrible loss of life” in the WTC towers affect a later decision to demolish a nearby building with no one in it?

   -A number of FDNY personnel were inside WTC 7 prior to the pullback order, presumably at risk from the alleged explosives, and most of the 343 FDNY fatalities resulted from the tower collapses, so why are there only a few FDNY in the 9/11 “truth movement”? You can count the number in this “truth” organization right here: http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?page_id=469 Are they simply not as astute as you are, or don’t they care what killed so many of their colleagues?

   -There was a pre-existing ConEd substation at the Vesey Street WTC 7 site in 1986, and the building was designed to straddle it, requiring some of the extremely long ~45′ girder and ~52′ beam spans inside that contributed to the 9/11 collapse. It was powered up and in full use on 9/11/01, and the demolition of a 200,000 ton, 47-story building directly on top of it very likely destroyed it completely. Do you know whether ConEd’s insurers just absorbed the loss of tens of millions of dollars in infrastructure damage and restoration and then subrogated Industrial Risk Insurers, since Larry Silverstein’s firm was still the responsible party, especially if he deliberately caused the damage?

   You are not honoring the memory of Mr. McIlvaine’s highly successful and accomplished young son or any of the other victims of the 9/11 al Qaeda attacks on the WTC towers by demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of the events that occurred that day, and by falsely implicating people who were totally uninvolved in the planning or execution of the Planes Operation, as 9/11 was known to the al Qaeda terrorists behind it.

   Sincere best wishes,

   Albury
10. Ken says:

    February 18, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    JoJo you have much learning to do. ALL high-rise Demolitions are TOP DOWN.

    WTC 7 was already 50% larger than the largest demolition EVER to take place.

    WTC 1 & 2 were even taller and they had to ENSURE that WTC 1 & 2 would no tip over.

    You only saw more TOP DEMOLITION on WTC 1 & 2 because of their significant height.
11. StructuralEngineer says:

    February 18, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    lol…i love those links that were posted here claiming some sort of scientific backing for the official fairy story…and how strongly you believe the are being truthful…lol, you didnt do a lick of physics for yourself, did you?

    a simple look at the conservation of momentum of the buildings weight will prove that the only thing We the People should believe about what the NIST collapse “analysis” tells US is where they admit that the columns provided minimal resistance to the collapse….lol

    hmmmm, i could be wrong though..that guy who posted could just be a troll for the murders…lol

    Peace, in-spit of the liars who would have it otherwise.
12. Albury says:

    February 18, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    I’ve posted numerous examples of outright lies from your 9/11 “truth movement,” Structural Engineer, so please do some physics for me, and show me one thing that the NIST investigators got wrong.
    • Alex says:

      February 18, 2011 at 5:45 pm

      Albury,

      Lets see some examples? How about not using a proxy server to spread bs as well.
    • will hale says:

      March 13, 2011 at 6:39 pm

      read debunking 9/11 debunking by david ray griffin
      nist and its glorious scientists exposed as political monkeys
13. M. Rocknest says:

    February 18, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    @ Howard T. Lewis III
    You make many valid points and I admit I’ve been researching lately along this line too … including the possibility that most floors of WTC 1 and 2 were empty, according to plan. In other words, it could have been a 30 year conspiracy, going right back to the building of the twins. There are so many mysteries and speculation could go on forever but indictments and long prison sentences are needed NOW in order to stop the entire world from collapsing!
14. Howard T. Lewis III says:

    February 19, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Some miscreant is stripping references to the preset demolitions at the WTC’s as fast as I put them up. It is bad luck to rely on sneaking around. If you cheat, you never learn how the game is played
15. Howard T. Lewis III says:

    February 19, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    If you want to hear the details as to how the charges had been preaset in the WTC I,II and 7 and the Chicago Sears Tower, call me at 808-443-3457. Don’t worry. I have my phone in the next state. Or two.
16. M. Rocknest says:

    February 19, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    @ Howard T. Lewis III (2/19/11)
    Would you mind making a few things in your first post a bit clearer please?

    “Later the same bunch intentionally blew out the DH in the GOM.”
    … What do the initials stand for?
    “Building 6 further proves intent in the murders of over 3,000 people that morning.”
    … Is this referring to the military style charges in 6 or did you mean 7? I know there were all kinds of things stored in a basement vault in 6 that were all removed prior to 9-11 (according to the official photographer).
    “Since Pres. Dover is not using most generals, we can be sure it’s for a good reason.”
    … Who is Pres. Dover?

    Sorry to be a nuisance but I’m putting your post in my files and I want to make sure I completely understand it.

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