Do Not Be Deceived: S. 1867 is the Most Dangerous Bill Since the PATRIOT Act
The Intel Hub
By Madison Ruppert – Editor of End the Lie
November 30, 2011
Recently I reported on the highly controversial bill S. 1253, the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the fiscal year of 2012 which was introduced back in June.
This bill was replaced by the one introduced on the 15th of November, S. 1867. Today Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky and Senator John McCain of Arizona faced off on the floor of the Senate over a proposed amendment to S. 1867.
The minimal coverage this bill is getting in the corporate-controlled establishment media, especially when it comes to the massive danger it poses to everything America was built upon, is nothing short of deplorable.
This amendment would, according to Senator Paul, put “every single American citizen at risk.” Paul rightly pointed out that if the amendment were to pass, “the terrorists have won.”
I couldn’t agree more and this is the major fact that McCain and far too many others in Washington seem to miss. Or, equally likely, McCain and others are well aware of the erosion of civil liberties and have no interest in stopping it.
After all, it isn’t the sycophantic corrupt politicians in Washington that have to endure being groped by TSA goons or surreptitiously blasted with X-Rays by a passing DHS van; it is the everyday Americans like you and me that are subjected to such absurd “counterterrorism” measures.
John McCain is a man who revels in death and suffering in true sociopathic style: joking about bombing Iran, calling for military operations in Syria, and supporting the murderous and thoroughly racist al Qaeda-affiliated Libyan rebels.
McCain is the epitome of Washington doublethink: in Libya, al Qaeda is good. Yet, al Qaeda is still the biggest threat to humanity, so much so that it justifies turning the entire world into a theater of war in which all rights are suspended in the name of the war on terror?
Senator Paul argued against the amendment to S. 1867 that McCain co-sponsored by saying, “Should we err today and remove some of the most important checks on state power in the name of fighting terrorism, well then the terrorists have won. [D]etaining American citizens without a court trial is not American.”
Unfortunately, the PATRIOT Act has already removed “some of the most important checks on state power in the name of fighting terrorism,” but there are very few politicians who will put their careers on their line in saying this fact.
McCain quickly attempted to defend the amendment he’s been peddling on the Senate floor by saying, “Facts are stubborn things. If the senator from Kentucky wants to have a situation prevail where people who are released go back in to the fight to kill Americans, he is entitled to his opinion.”
This is the typical, “Either you’re with us, or you’re with the terrorists,” fallacious logic employed by those in Washington who will take every opportunity to exploit the non-threat of terrorism as a method of control and erosion of civil liberties.
McCain, who is the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, is a member of the camp of individuals who either lie on a regular basis while knowing the facts or are so deluded and removed from reality that they actually fear the al Qaeda boogeyman.
Senator McCain, just like the non-profit groups that are directly linked to the Department of Homeland Security, promotes a fear of terrorism that is completely at odds with the facts, using this climate of fear and paranoia to justify otherwise unacceptable legislation like S. 1867 and the PATRIOT Act.
McCain’s proposed amendment would allow the executive branch, which has already murdered American citizens abroad without so much as a single charge, to have power over if a suspect was put through the civilian court system or through the military tribunal system.
Military tribunals are the complete antithesis of the civilian justice system and putting American citizens through such a system would signal the death of everything the American justice system was built upon.
The most dangerous aspect of S. 1867 is not only that it could subject American citizens to military tribunals and detention, but also that individuals could be imprisoned indefinitely without charge or trial.
Even if this was not used on American citizens, it represents a deplorable move that would only make the rest of the world hate us that much more, knowing that it is explicitly allowed for the American government to snatch up people and detain them forever without charge or trial.
If any other government were to even consider engaging in such behavior, people like Hillary Clinton who laughably claim to support human rights, would likely decry such moves.
Yet, the nonsensical logic of American exceptionalism makes people like McCain think that America has the right to operate outside of the rule of law (not to mention common decency and respect for other human beings) at home and abroad, so long as it is supposedly to combat terrorism.
Senator Paul countered McCain’s absurd assertion by saying, “I don’t think it necessarily follows I am arguing of the release of prisoners. I am simply arguing that particularly American citizens should not be sent to a foreign prison without due process.”
It amazes me that any such thing would have to even be argued. The Constitution is supposed to protect us from such egregious breaches of our inalienable rights and our so-called representatives take an oath to protect the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic.
It is now clear that the true enemies of the Constitution, the ones that truly put our liberties in danger, are domestic.
They wear expensive suits and happily stroll through the halls of power in Washington, seemingly confident that they will not be treated as the traitorous criminals that they are.
McCain is one of these traitors who are launching an all-out assault on our way of life and our civil rights, S. 1867 is just the most recent, and most virulent, manifestation of this.
“An individual, no matter who they are, if they pose a threat to the security of the United States of America, should not be allowed to continue that threat,” McCain said in defense of his attack on our rights.
“We need to take every stop necessary to prevent that from happening, that’s for the safety and security of the men and women who are out there risking their lives … in our armed services,” McCain added.
The real people who put the men and women in our armed services at risk are warmongers like McCain who happily put Americans in the line of fire in order to keep their war profiteering cronies satisfied.
44 Republican Senators and 15 Democrats along with one Independent voted to keep the new detainee provisions in the NDAA, with Senator Paul and Senator Mark Kirk of Illinois being among the few Republicans who broke party ranks and sided with a majority of Democrats who voted to block the new provisions.
Paul argued, “If these provisions pass, we could see American citizens being sent to Guantanamo Bay,” while Republican Senator Lindsey Graham countered, “To be clear: These provisions do not apply to U.S. citizens.”
Did that stop the American government from murdering a citizen of the United States in Yemen in a drone attack?
No, in fact, the National Security Council’s secret death panel makes these decisions outside of all legislation and accountability, so Graham’s claim that it wouldn’t apply to American citizens is hollow, at best.
A couple of days ago Glenn Greenwald, a journalist for Salon and a former Constitutional and civil rights lawyer tweeted a very similar sentiment:
“With very few exceptions, the McCain-Levin bill, awful though it is, doesn’t create any powers beyond what the O[bama] Admin[istration] thinks it now has.”
The problem is that this bill would make it explicitly legal for the United States to conduct the horrific operations they have already been carrying out.
If this were to pass, there would be absolutely nothing standing in the way of the government rounding up dissidents who they could easily label terrorists or individuals planning/supporting terrorism (given the absurdly broad definition used).
They could then imprison them without charge or trial for however long they please, and if they have their way, they would be able to openly torture them, not just the torture deceptively labeled “enhanced interrogation” but torture that can go by no other name.
Of course, that is not to diminish the fact that the tactics now employed by the CIA and others are indeed torture. Just ask people like conservative radio host Mancow who was waterboarded and came to the conclusion that it is indeed torture after having held the complete opposite opinion previously.
Or if that isn’t enough proof, take the Vanity Fair article written by Christopher Hitchens in which he describes his experience being waterboarded which brought him to the exact same conclusion: waterboarding is torture.
Even Bahrain ostensibly has more democratic accountability for torture, although I think we all know that is about as legitimate as calling waterboarding “enhanced interrogation.”
McCain laughably claimed that the changes would “help defend our nation against the threat posed by al Qaeda while upholding our values and honoring our Constitution.”
This is especially hilarious given that McCain said that the al Qaeda-affiliated Libyan rebels “inspired the world” in carrying out their bloody revolution.
Does McCain actually believe that he has the power to pick and choose when individuals and groups directly linked to al Qaeda are good or bad?
How can they actually reconcile such absurdist moral relativism? Personally, I don’t think that McCain can actually believe the things he says unless he has actually been able to eliminate every bit of sense and logic that is innate in human beings.
To the many people commenting and emailing me claiming that this is overblown and it will not apply to American citizens, you might want to listen to Republican Senator Lindsey Graham’s own words on the Senate floor.
“In summary here, [section] 1032, the military custody provision, which has waivers and a lot of flexibility doesn’t apply to American citizens. [Section] 1031, the statement of authority to detain does apply to American citizens, and it designates the world as the battlefield including the homeland,” Graham said.
Is there really anything even remotely unclear here? Our government is making the final strides towards turning the brutal military apparatus that has slaughtered so many people abroad in the name of “freedom” back to our own people.
What we are witnessing now is truly historic, the American government is trying to explicitly codify the ability to detain Americans without trial or charge in a military facility under military rule with military tribunals.
While I argue that we already live in a police state, based on the citizen spying programs, ludicrous amounts of domestic surveillance, collection and storage of massive amounts of biometric information, and the Department of Homeland Security’s invisible surveillance state (just to mention a few) the passage of this bill would bring about a new dangerous paradigm in America.
Even if it was sold as something that wouldn’t apply to American citizens, like the PATRIOT Act was sold as a counterterrorism bill, it would undoubtedly be used against us regardless of these claims, just as the PATRIOT Act has been utilized in cases wholly unrelated to terrorism.
Even the officials from the Department of Justice readily admit that the PATRIOT Act is being used against non-terrorist American citizens.
As you will see in the above video, they admit that the PATRIOT Act is used in cases completely unrelated to terrorism.
Is anyone really naïve enough to believe that the government will actually restrict the usage of S. 1867 to terrorists and not Americans who stand up to their corrupt, out of control, and wholly illegitimate criminal government?
To make matters even worse, the usage of drones in the United States is being considered by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).
The Los Angeles Times recently reported that the FAA plans to propose new rules this coming January, which would give free license to police departments and other domestic agencies to use them in the United States.
Yet, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), or drones, have been used by law enforcement in the United States for some time now.
In fact, The Washington Post reported on the usage of aerial drones domestically in January of this year along with Homeland Security News Wire.
Currently, law enforcement agencies supposedly have to seek out emergency authorization from the FAA to use drones, which, according to The Washington Post is “only occasionally” granted.
The new FAA regulations coupled with turning the United States into a battlefield in which all Americans could be enemy combatants is dangerous, to say the least.
Given the fact that our current administration under the traitorous warmonger Barack Obama has no problem killing children with drones abroad, do we really think that they wouldn’t conduct such operations at home?
To an administration that commits extrajudicial executions of American citizens – and their 16-year-old child who was born in Denver, Colorado – is anything off the table?
The unfortunate and thoroughly disturbing reality is that our government has no problem carrying out such operations and S. 1867 would just make it that much easier by codifying it and creating an explicit legal apparatus through which they can operate.
I highly recommend that you explore at least some of the 344 proposed amendments for S. 1867 in the Library of Congress’ Thomas system which can be found here.
You can track all of the updates on the act with the amendments organized by date on this Library of Congress page.
As you can tell, the 28th was by far the busiest day so far in the life of S. 1867 with over 100 amendments considered in that single day, although this very well might be beat in coming days when our so-called representatives continue to debate turning the United States into a giant battlefield.
UPDATE: If the ridiculous assault on our inalienable rights embodied by S. 1867 wasn’t enough, the Senate is also considering repealing the anti-torture measures currently in place (lax though they may be).
This flies in the face of the fact that torture does not provide actionable intelligence or anything even remotely reliable unless you’re looking for a false confession to anything from terrorism to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.
This bill must be stopped if we want to preserve anything that America is supposed to stand for. The PATRIOT Act was a crippling blow to the Constitution but S. 1867 would be the death of every last bastion of hope and freedom that was left after the vicious attacks on our civil liberties that have brought us to this point.
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The following last paragraph says everything.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Top national security lawyers in the Obama administration say U.S. citizens are legitimate military targets when they take up arms with al-Qaida.
The lawyers were asked at a national security conference Thursday about the CIA killing of Anwar al-Alwaki, a U.S. citizen and leading al-Qaida figure. He died in a Sept. 30 U.S. drone strike in the mountains of Yemen.
The government lawyers — CIA counsel Stephen Preston and Pentagon counsel Jeh Johnson — did not directly address the al-Alwaki case. But they said U.S. citizens don’t have immunity when they’re at war with the United States.
Johnson said only the executive branch, not the courts, are equipped to make decisions about who qualifies as an enemy.
http://biz.centurylink.net/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CD9RBQ0U83%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=1011
Hmmm
What is not widely reported is not only did we murder an American citizen in cold blood, but 2 weeks later we went back and murdered his 16 year old son. This is the very definition of terrorism and barbarism. So in direct violation of the Constitution, no warrant, no arrest, no right to legal representation and a jury trail by his peers, no judicial review. In short no due process, zero. A small group of men in secret meetings in a secret room are now allowed to decide life or death of any American citizen. There is NO WHERE in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that grants anyone in our government to do this. Who are these traitors? And of course our president gave his blessing. Given his sworn duty to defend and uphold the Constitution, he is clearly a traitor as well. But then he has good company. Two thirds of the entire US Congress is right there with him….
Roe v Wade was meant to protect women whose lives were in danger, raped, or a victim of incest. This put into practice the destruction of 50 million healthy babies, whose reason for being exterminated was being social and economic burdens. What would stop those of the mindset who twisted Roe v Wade, from twisting s 1867 to include those who don’t believe the governments lies thus being unamerican and potential threats (terrorist), because they don’t like being lied to. Nothing, as far as I can see, as certain as 50 million aborted babies.
warmonger? get over yourself… plus the yeman, had it coming
Anyone, and I repeat anyone, American Citizen or not, who picks up arms during a time of war, to fight against the United States is now an enemy combatant…and deserves no constitutional protection. And at no time in United States history has a person of that type received any constitutional protection…and I challenge any one to disprove that statement. Traitors, deserters, and those who had US citizenship and German, Italian, Japanese, or any other enemy at the time national roots, who chose to fight against the US, were shown no quarter…and deserved none.
I beleive that this current law needs to be better defined, better explained, and have better coverage…however, if I am on the battlefied again and I come face to face with an American citizen who has cognizantly chosen to fight for the other side…all he gets is a bullet from me and that is all that he deserves. And, if by chance, I must take that person into custody…he will get the same treatment any other enemy combatant will and should receive…and anyone who supports that traitor is a traitor too and deserves the same punishment.
Aye, I agree with you. Also I want to ntoe on the matter of the bill itself the following:
§1031, (e): “Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.”
§1032, (b) reads: “Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.”
dr Jerry
What if the enemy of the American People is the US Government?
I believe, in many ways, that the government is our enemy and that we must prepare, defensivly for now, to deal with a tyrannical/socialistic government that intends to control its citizenry by force…If that happens then we must defend ourselves and institute the Second Paragraph of the Declaration of Independence and “throw off such government.”
But this is a separate discussion for me. There are active
terrorist(s) seeking to destroy our way of life and set up a Shariah Law. I, personally, have been at war with these foes for over 30 years. My oldest son, a LCpl in the US Marines was KIA in Fallujah, Iraq 12-23-04, my youngest son LCpl US Marines fought in Ramadi, Iraq in 2005, my brother in law was wounded in Bagdad, Iraq in 2006…this is a real enemy, that really must be defeated, destroyed, and not allowed to exist again.
I believe that we may, at some near future time, be forced into fighting both sides, at the same time, in what will be a world-wide war for freedom.
The enemy was US, not the Iraqis. If you wish to go back to 9-11, then we should have invaded Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. Most of the “listed” hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. But good ole Bush couldn’t invade his family friend Bandar Bush, could he? So instead we attack Iraq, who had nothing to do with 911.
We killed over a million Iraqi citizens and 5000 of our young men and women, over a lie. A lie our govt fed us.
“Beware the false patriot who will wrap himself in the flag but abandon their values.”
your blindly following what your told is right instead of thinking for yourself you brainless semper fi drone. if the military told you that Occupy Wall Street protesters were a threat to national security you would open fire on the them too wouldn’t you? “always faithful even to a corrupt shit government.” is more like the motto.
i’m sick of brainless sheep like you that eat up all that patriotic bullshit that don’t even understand what being a real patriot is all about. your more like a zealot then a patriot.
Although I agree with your point that people shouldn’t blindly follow what they’re told is right, your comment: “if the military told you that Occupy Wall Street protesters were a threat to national security you would open fire on the them too wouldn’t you?”, even with exaggeration and blunt sarcasm taken into account, is based off some kind of assumption that we as a human race have no sense of common judgement. It’s pretty ignorant to use such a poor hypothetical scenario as that to convey that this guy will listen to and carry out ANYTHING the government tells him… -______-
Given that the justifications for all of the most recent “wars” are fabrications,any and all support for these wars is treason. Those voting for this legislation are traitors pure and simple and are the domestic threat that they swore an oath to defend this nation from. LOOK AT THE SHAPE THAT THE STATE LEVIN IS FROM IS IN. How is it that he could author any legislation that can be taken seriously? He and McStain both are criminals, and enemies of the state. This legislation would certainly require them to be housed at Gitmo.
John McCainaanite: the MANCHURIAN CADIDATE / psyops programmed asset, of the RED BRIGADE’s Communist Party, seems Hell Bent, on Making All Americans; Suffer the Incarceration, Torture, Reprogramming, and PsychoTropic Subliminal Manipulations, to Becomming a TROJAN HORSE Enemy of the STATE, and committing TREASON; against Americans, by inculcating Communist, Nazi, Zionist, Learned Elders Of Zion, Ashkharnazi Treachery, against His Countrymen, whom He Loathes and Holds accountable, for HIs Horrendous Appearance, and Torture1
I assert that John Mcain has broken the Oath to Protect and Defend the Constitution from enemies from within of from outside the homeland.
of course he & his ilk will rationalize they are doing Gods & the Country’s work
I hope it does pass and I hope every one of you Euro-Amerikans gets rounded up and detained indefinately without charge or trial
Reap what you have sown just look in the mirror at the base problem because you are responsible for the monsterous government you must now face because you were to scared and fearful to use the checks and balances that were written in your CONstitution and failed to act you wore out the soap and ballot box and failed to use the bullet box a long time ago….you deserve what you get!!! YOU are responsible for your government and those you have elected and every single thing they have done YOU ARE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY!!! There is no 2 party system that’s an illusion there is only one!!! Suck it up and deal with it and don’t go away mad just GO AWAY!!! Stupid F***ing Wasicu’s!!!
Clearly you believe what Jesus said??? Turn the other cheek?? Feed the poor and heal the sick?? And remember all those millionaires and billionaires will NOT be getting into heaven. Didn’t Jesus say it is harder for a camel to get thru the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven??? Read your bible again, ok?
I’m taking all of this to mean that the Government intends to declare a state of hostilities against it’s citizens.
They cannot take your guns right now so they are making preparations for the time when the economy collapses and they declare Martial Law and then they will DEMAND your guns and all who refuse to turn in their guns will automatically be declared “Enemy Combatants”, hunted down and killed or confined “Indefinitely”, tortured and then killed.
Make no mistake people, they fear you exponentially and are only saving their own necks by creating laws that will make everything they do completely legal just like Adolph Hitler did before WWII, they are using the same play book and it is working.
The occupy Wall street set up was only to test the waters to see how many potential dissenters there would be if they declared Martial Law and the end result was there were far too many people willing to defy their demands and they feel very nervous of the overall turnout of the Occupy protests and this legislation is their back up plan if too many people turned out for the protests.
They are going to use foreign troops when the declaration is made and these foreign troops are already here just awaiting the word to move out, these troops have been reported at multiple bases in Texas (Ft. Hood), Alabama (Ft. Maclellan), Georgia (Fort Benning), North Carolina (Ft. Bragg) and unconfirmed but from a very reliable source that there are troops at Avon Park Florida.
They WILL NOT use US TROOPS because the majority WILL NOT kill Americans on their soil, so they have these foreign troops here to do the killing.
The MASS TREASON that this bill represents should light a fire in your asses and show you just how treasonous our politicians have become, they DO NOT CARE for the American people and we still just sit back and let them make killing us legal……THIS IS TREASON in the highest regard people.
Are we going to sit back and let this happen?
Just like the Patriot Act (non-patriotic) was simply dusted off and rammed through the legislative, now again do we face another monstrous erosion of our privacy and freedoms. Wasn’t this thing engineered behind closed doors? If this (defense?) bill is passed as is, we’re toast. The Patriot Act was designed to protect the Washington elite from the citizens of the USA, not the country from terrorists. It was put in place so that when the stink begins to enter the nostrils of the citizenry, the Washington Wehrmacht would be in control. So too will this bill give the govern(mental) bureaucracy cart blanch to arrest us and away we go to many FEMA camps across the USA. We are going down USA – please wake up!
If this passes, it will hit the fan.
So here we find ourselves.
We have the Patriot Act because of the massive criminal fraud known as 911 which murdered more than 2,000 US citizens. That criminal fraud, of course, gave us the unconstitutional and Orwellian Patriot Act. It also gave us the rationale to invade Afghanistant in hopes of finding Osama bin Laden (aka Tim Osman), a CIA agent from the 1980′s who was still on the payroll after 911.
Then we have a number of intelligence agencies (principally Dick Cheney, his agents and Israeli intelligence, with significant assistance from numerous other state intelligence agencies) working in concert to drum up fraudulently conceived “intelligence” (oxymoron?) and pushed at the UN by the once honest statesman and now totally corrupted Colin Powell to invade Iraq, which resulted in the deaths of at least hundreds of thousands of innocent (innocent of anything other than being an Iraqi) Iraqis (estimates as high as 2+ million) and the complete obliteration of the national infrastructure there.
The puppets installed through the Bush/Supreme Court coup were not content to simply stop at that level of insanity and criminality, as fraud and criminality begot more fraud and criminality and with a collapsing economy we got the Department of Homeland Security (Theatre) rushing about creating infrastructure and programs surely to result in further erosion of our constitutional liberties (yeah, that document all of these frauds and criminals gave an oath of office to protect from enemies both foreign and domestic). At least hollywood creates movies which are understood to be fantasy and entertainment. One man’s entertainment is another man’s delusional security one surmises.
Not content to leave well enough alone, certain individuals who served atop the agency of security theater and who are alleged to have been instrumental in covering up the 911 criminal fraud by destroying evidence, were rewarded for their criminality and treason by benefiting from the Christmas day false flag bomber, an African teenager whose father had intelligence connections and who was ushered onto an international flight to Detroit from the Amsterdam airport by an intelligence office from Indian R.A.W. over the protests of the flight crew (google Kurt Haskell). Once on board, the false flag Christmas bomber proceeded to incompetently try to detonate a device around his waist, resullting in many flashes and smoke and staged hysteria.
That incident, of course, led to the TSA (does Groped by a Dope bring to mind a pugilistic rumble in the jungle in Kinshasa Zaire of another era?) installing unsafe and largely untested radiation scanners and forcing all US airlines passengers through these radiation scanners in contravention of all reasonable constitutional protections (was the 4th amendment signed in invisible ink?) so that they can be exposed to unsafe levels of radiation which, in ten years or so, will be shown to have created a cancer cluster in all of those poor TSA agents who were unlucky to have worked in an industry off-shored by Wall Street criminal thugs and stand near during their daily security theatre duties.
It is not enough that with all of the fraudulent, unlawful and unconstitutional actions cited above that our criminal political class has been joined at the hip and worked overtime with Wall Street thieves/frauds/criminals in concernt with the private foreign owned Federal Reserve to steal the wealth of the United States and its citizens from their brokerage accounts, pension/retirement plans and the like such that decent citizens who have lost their jobs to Wall Street/Washington policy and who protest non-violently purely within the legal structure and framework of the US constitution are assaulted, pepper sprayed and subjected to further criminal acts by thuggish agents of the criminal frauds those agents, having been hired to protect the public, not engage in criminal acts against same.
As the anger of the American public becomes increasingly evidenct to the class of murderers, criminal and thugs (could it be that a poll of 89% of citizens being angry at their government is rigged downward by the usual suspects), there can be no going back to a sense of sanity, decency and lawfulness because the murderers, criminals and thugs understand that lawful retribution is in their future, we watch in horror as they work overtime to try to create or otherwise provoke a scenario of WWIII, hoping that all evidence of their criminality gets lost in the destruction using the demolition of WTC 7 as their modus operandi.
Yes, this can all be stopped before it gets signicantly worse. But with maniacs at the wheel who may just realize that sending the runaway train over the cliff may be a better result for them than the lawful retribution which awaits them if they stop the train, the odds become unclear.
Yes, it will be an interesting 2012.
USA Number 1
If this were real we would hear about it on the news!
Now shut up and let me get back to NASCAR and Cheesypuffs!
What exactly makes you think that they wouldn’t hide something like this from us? They passed the bill in secret, but it sure as Hell exists. Actually do some research before saying “Oh, it’s not real!”
Yeah, so what…
America deserves the government its got, so shut up slave!
The american people could not get off their lazy, stupid, selfish, self-centered butts to stop prayer and the mention of God from being removed from public areanas, they stood by silent as CHRISTMAS was stripped of anything to do with CHRIST, and changed to Winter Holiday, they all celebrated as abortion was legalized, and with all the child raping and pedeophilia going on
they turn a blind eye and deaf ear to their own children’s safety, they are bleeting sheep who want someone to tell them what to do, and they got what they deserve! So live with it, because you are all too pussified to do anything about it!
It’s the jews, stupid
The President can now make his political enemies disappear. Nobody will be able to find out where they went, and they will not see a judge for many years. We’re turning into a banana republic.
Demand that President Obama veto this bill in its current form, sign the petition on the White House website.
http://wh.gov/jeY
Time to RECALL McCain!!!!That is YOUR RIGHT…….
OUR FREEDOMS AND COUNTRY AND US CONSTITUTION ARE IN PERIL. WE CANNOT ARREST ALL AMERICANS WITHOUT CHARGES OR TRIAL AND GIVE INDEFINITE IMPRISONMENT.–WE NEED THE DEATH PENALTY FOR TREASON AGAINST THE USA AND ITS PEOPLE . WE HAVE LOST CONTROL OF THE GOVT AND NOW IT ATTEMPTS TO CONTROL US. WE DONT NEED MORE LAWS JUST ENFORCE THE ONES WE HAVE–(ILLEGALS -DEPORT IMMEDIATELY) TREASON THE DEATH PENALTY IMMEDIATELY. THEN THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FIGHT AGAIN. OBAMA RELEASED THE TERRORISTS FROM CUBA DETENTION. ITS OBAMA FAULT THEY WERE GIVEN A CHANCE TO FIGHT US AGAIN– SEN MCCAIN–OBAMA IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN HIMSELF AND HE DID NOT PASS HOMELAND SEC ALIEN BACK ROUND CHECK ON E-VERIFY. MS LINDA JORDAN ENTERED OBAMA INTO E-VERIFY AND OBAMA FAOLED IT–FAKE SOC SEC NUMBER WAS THE US GOVT RESPONSE. ARREST ILLEGAL ALIEN OBAMA NOW .WHY ARE YOU CENSORING ME YOU TRAITOR.
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http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:s.1867:
We are already too late. It passed.
It passed the senate: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-1867
This bill is just a precursor to the deployment of Operation Garden Plot, which puts the UN in total control of our military and ushers in the NWO.
All you idiot who have been rolling your eyes and laughing about the New
World Order, well wake the fu*( up because we know what we are talking about.
The original plan was:
1. Occupy Wall Street grows to every major city in the USA
2. OWS encites chaos simultaneously throughout the country. (They tried this
several times but it turned out to be a joke and still is)
3. As a result, Operation Garden Plot is deployed, which is essentially Martial Law. It is ready to go, and they are prepared to use the most high tech military capabilities known to mankind against us, to keep us contained
and under their complete control.
All Communication will be down, and foreign troop WILL BE DEPLOYED, along with thousands of Cartel members in Obama’s pocket. What foreign armies you ask? How will this all be justified?
Operation Garden Plot turns complete control of our military over to the United Nations, which relinquishes control of the United States to world government. This voids the constitution and all armies have juristiction.
That is what the wording of section 1031 and 1032 is for. The fact that they say the someone can be detained “Anywhere in The world” pretty much makes it legal. We are part of the world, and can therefore be detained without trial.
Not that they need it to be legal, since there is nobody who can stop them whether it’s legal or not. Good luck taking them to court when you don’t even have a cell phone, internet, or a car that will make it out of your neighborhood.
Read the plan, and it will all make sense. Note the repeated use of “weather”, as they plan on using weather modification to keep us controlled, among other mind blowing techniques.
http://www.yuricareport.com/Civil%20Rights/OperationGardenPlot.html
I’m no fan of the US government…but having actually read the bill for myself, instead of trusting what others have said. If someone can point me to where it states US citizens are affect by this without any subsection stating otherwise, that would be helpful.
However, under Section 1031 it says the following regarding US citizens,
“10 (e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be
11 construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to
12 the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident
13 aliens of the United States or any other persons who are
14 captured or arrested in the United States.”
In the PDF of this bill that is on page 428.
As for detaining people it has,
“10 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require
11 ment to detain a person in military custody under
12 this section does not extend to citizens of the United
13 States.”
and throughout these sections it refers back to who is affected,
“3 (b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under
4 this section is any person as follows:
5 (1) A person who planned, authorized, com
6 mitted, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred
7 on September 11, 2001, or harbored those respon
8 sible for those attacks.
9 (2) A person who was a part of or substantially
10 supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces
11 that are engaged in hostilities against the United
12 States or its coalition partners, including any person
13 who has committed a belligerent act or has directly
14 supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy
15 forces.”